“I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the
building. You know like when they demolish a building?”--Assistant Fire
Commissioner Stephen Gregory
Now the WHOLE QUOTE without the taking out of context...
I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant
Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out
how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is
with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some
reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before
it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-leve] flashes. In my
conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he
questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building,
and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it
was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing,
things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the
building came down.
Q.: Was that on the lower level of the building or up where
the fire was?
A: No, the lower level of the building. You know like when
they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down?
That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked
me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you
were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building?
And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I
said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.
I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to
the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical
explosions, it could have been whatever.
Let me guess why they left that important part out..
“t was [like a] professional demolition where they set
the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop,
pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera
SO WE WERE PRETTY MUCH-MOST OF THE WORKERS WERE INSIDE THIS
BUILDING. I LIKE SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF ITS FIVE WORLD TRADE CENTER OR FOUR WORLD
TRADE CENTER. MOST OF THEM WERE IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE CHIEF OR THE CAPTAIN
SAID IF YOU WANT YOU CAN STAY INSIDE THAT BUILDING. BUT I DIDN'T FEEL SAFE
BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS TERRORIST ATTACK SO I WAS SCARED. EVERY TIME YOU
HEAR PLANE EVERYONE WOULD RUN. SO I PRETTY MUCH STOOD AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE. I
WOULD SEE TRIAGE, BUT I WAS PRETTY MUCH IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
THEN THAT'S WHEN-I KEPT ON WALKING CLOSE TO THE SOUTH
TOWER, AND THAT'S WHEN THAT BUILDING COLLAPSED.
Q: HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS COMING DOWN?
A: THAT NOISE .IT WAS NOISE.
Q: WHAT DID YOU HEAR? WHAT DID YOU SEE?
A: IT WAS A FRIGGING NOISE. AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS-DO
YOU EVER SEE PROFESSIONAL DEMOLITION WHERE THEY SET THE CHARGES ON CERTAIN
FLOORS AND THEN YOU HEAR "POP, POP, POP, POP, POP"? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT-BECAUSE
I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT WHEN I HEARD THAT FRIGGING NOISE,
I SAW THE
BUILDING COMING DOWN.
First, notice he and everyone else was scared of
TERRORISTS. What do TERRORIST DO? So it's not unreasonable for someone
who is thinking TERRORIST to hear the sound of huge concrete floors
falling one on top of the other to think "BOMB" first. As I said, No one
has ever seen an airplane hit buildings constructed like this and the
collapse of this odd combination.
“There was what appeared to be at first an explosion.
It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials
shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before
you could see the beginning of the collapse." --Chief Frank Cruthers
there was what appeared to be at first an explosion.
appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides
And why wouldn't floors falling around the building NOT
APPEAR to be an EXPLOSION... :blink:
"I started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I
heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and
tower two started to come down.” --Paramedic Kevin Darnowski
Again, just more sounds like explosions as floors ram into
each other. Note he doesn't say he SAW three explosions.
And here is the outright LIE...
“ we heard explosions coming from building two, the
south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten
explosions. . . . We then realized the building started to come down.” --
Firefighter Craig Carlsen
Note where these liars
put the "...."
Now for the REAL quote...
I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions
coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but
there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We
realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing
to where the plane had hit.
With that alone I should rest my case. ;) These CT sites
the other lie, they split up those quotes to make it seem like there are
more people hearing explosions than there really are. You have paramedic Daniel Rivera's
interview split in two and Stephen Gregory's interview split in two, as if there are different
people hearing different explosions. They flood you with quotes hoping
you won't notice. What other reason would they have for splitting them up???
“Then this flash just kept popping all the way around
the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound,
and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash
came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building
on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions
were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the
building." -- Captain Karin Deshore
MY BACK WAS TOWARDS THE BUILDING, TRYING TO PUSH EVERYBODY
GRASSY HILL WAS THERE AND UP UNDERNEATH THAT OVERPASS, WHEN
SOMEBODY JUST SIMPLY SHOUTED AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHO IT WAS, "IT'S BLOWING".
I HAD NO CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON. I NEVER TURNED AROUND
BECAUSE A SOUND CAME FROM SOMEWHERE THAT NEVER HEARD BEFORE. SOME PEOPLE
COMPARED IT WITH AN AIRPLANE. IT WAS THE WORST SOUND OF ROLLING SOUND, NOT A
THUNDER CAN'T EXPLAIN IT, WHAT IT WAS. ALL I
KNOW IS -- AND FORCE STARTED TO COME HIT ME IN MY BACK. I
CAN'T EXPLAIN IT. YOU HAD TO BE THERE. ALL I KNOW IS -- HAD TO RUN BECAUSE I
THOUGHT THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION.
...I WAS UNAWARE WHAT WAS HAPPENING. I THOUGHT
IT WAS JUST MAJOR EXPLOSION I DIDN'T KNOW THE BUILDING WAS
SOMEWHERE AROUND THE MIDDLE OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER,
THERE WAS THIS ORANGE AND RED FLASH COMING OUT. INITIALLY IT WAS JUST ONE FLASH.
THEN THIS FLASH JUST KEPT POPPING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND THAT
BUILDING HAD STARTED TO EXPLODE. THE POPPING SOUND, AND WITH EACH POPPING SOUND
IT WAS INITIALLY AN ORANGE AND THEN RED FLASH CAME OUT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN
IT WOULD JUST GO ALL AROUND THE BUILDING ON BOTH SIDES AS FAR AS COULD SEE.
THESE POPPING SOUNDS AND THE EXPLOSIONS WERE GETTING BIGGER GOING BOTH UP AND
DOWN AND THEN ALL AROUND THE BUILDING.
It's time to see a transformer explosion.
All these buildings had transformers and transformer
SO HERE THESE EXPLOSIONS ARE GETTING BIGGER AND LOUDER AND
BIGGER AND LOUDER AND I TOLD EVERYBODY IF THIS BUILDING TOTALLY EXPLODES, STILL
UNAWARE THAT THE OTHER BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED, IM GOING IN THE WATER.
“I took a quick glance at the building and while I
didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led
me to believe it was just an explosion.” -- Captain Jay Swithers
When I was giving her the oxygen, setting up the tank, you
could hear a loud rumble. Somebody said run for your life. I turned to see who
was yelling "run".
At that point I looked back and most of the people who were
triaged in that area with the triage tags on them got up and ran. I took a quick
glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section
of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought
it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.
But one thing that did happen was an ambulance
pulled up which was very clean. So I assumed that the vehicle had not
been in the - what I thought was an explosion at the time, but was
the first collapse.
First he heard the rumble. Not the so called "Explosion"
which he never saw. Then he thought he heard an explosion because he saw the
debris falling away from the building. He had TERRORIST on his mind and jumped
to the conclusion that it was a bomb. You don't have to be a psychologist here.
Fire officer Paul Isaac Jr. asserted that 9-11 was an
inside job last September 11 at ground zero where mourners and protesters
were gathered; “I know 9-11 was an inside job. The police know it’s an
inside job; and the firemen know it too”, said Isaac.
"there were definitely bombs in those buildings,” Isaac
added that “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but
they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid
discussion of this fact.” --Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac
Paul Isaac never said anything of the kind. Another
Conspiracy Theorist deception.
is shown on just about every conspiracy web site which shows a few
fireman discussing what they heard and saw.
fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.
fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.
fireman2: 2 blocks.
fireman1: and we started runnin'
fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out …
fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det…
fireman1: yea detonated yea
fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,
In the context of
reading it off a conspiracy site, this may sound like damning evidence.
They are saying “detonated” and “they had planned to take down a
building”. They even say “Boom” to describe the sound. But if you hear
the other things they’re saying, their body language and context outside
the conspiracy theory setting, something else emerges. Before or after
every description is “As if”. “As if they had planned to
take down a building”. “It was as if as if they had detonated”.
They also use body language to show it was the sound of the floors
crashing into one another.
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
This could be just as
powerful evidence of pancaking as the use of explosives. But the real
evidence isn’t so much examining the video as examining the actions
taken, or NOT taken, by the NYC Fire Department after the event. The NYC
Fire Department hasn’t rallied its members to force an investigation
into the possible murder of over 300 of its members. Some sites offer
an explanation of this saying there was a gag order placed on the Fire
Department. The only place you will find this is on conspiracy theory
sites. No mention from main stream press about the hundreds if not
thousands of fireman on the scene not being allowed to talk.
glaring example of picking and choosing what to focus on is the
Mary Baldizzi... They
point to a
BBC article that says
The jet fuel caused the fire to spread so far and so fast that
it effectively cut the building into two. For the 6,000 people
below where the plane had hit the staircases still offered a
means of escape, but for the 950 caught above the point of
impact and the fire there was no way out.
The argument is made
that towers fell because of separate detonations. As proof, they offered
the case of Mary Baldizzi who supposedly had escaped the 104th floor of
the World Trade Center's North Tower by elevator. Thus, the only way she
could have escaped via elevator was if the core was intact at least to
the 104th floor.
When I watched the video, I thought, if there had been a survivor from
above the impact zone in Tower 1, it would have been widely broadcast.
So, logically, I searched online for either confirmation or repudiation.
I found neither. What I did find was the repeated use of Ms. Baldizzi's
story as evidence in various alternative theories (i.e., other than
fire) for the collapse of the towers.
Returning to the original video, I watched it several more times.
After listening closely to Ms. Baldizzi's interview, I came to the
conclusion that Mary Baldizzi was not on the 104th floor of the North
Tower (WTC1) but was on the 104th floor of the South Tower (WTC2) and
that this was a misrepresentation of her escape as having been from WTC1. Here
are the reasons I came to this conclusion:
1. Although the newswomen began the interview stating that Mary Baldizzi
had come down the elevators from the 104th floor and was in the "first tower
when it was struck," at no time during the interview does Ms. Baldizzi
state that she was in the North Tower. In addition, none of the
graphics that accompany the interview claim that Ms. Baldizzi was in the
North Tower. When Ms. Baldizzi is asked if she felt the impact, she says
"Oh yeah." But the effects she describes -- feeling the heat,
experiencing the shaking, hearing the explosion -- are all effects
experienced by those who were in the South Tower on the floors adjacent
to the impact zone (see:
If she had been in the North Tower when it was hit then she would have
described the impact in much less casual terms.
2. Around 5 minutes and 20 seconds into the interview, the interviewers
ask about Ms. Baldizzi's coworkers. Ms. Baldizzi's states that she does
not know the whereabouts of her fellow employees and proceeds to state,
around 5:55 of the interview, that she has no way of contacting them
other than to "call [the] main office in Illinois." Now, the offices on
the 104th floor of the North Tower were occupied exclusively by Cantor
Fitzgerald, while offices on the 104th floor of the South Tower were
occupied by Sandler O'Neill (see:
Cantor Fitzgerald does not have a main office in Illinois (see:
O'Neill, on the other hand, does have a central office in Chicago (see:
http://www.sandleroneill.com/). This suggests
that Ms. Baldizzi was an employee of Sandler O'Neill (in the South
Tower) rather than Cantor Fitzgerald (in the North Tower).
3. Finally, and conclusively, at 6:15 in the interview Ms. Baldizzi
begins a discussion about what she and her coworkers did when they
exited the building. She clearly says: "There were police officers,
thank God, that were aiming us towards Liberty St. because we stupidly
walked towards One World Trade because we didn't know; we had no idea it
was a terrorist attack." Now, if Ms. Baldizzi had been in One World
Trade Center (i.e., the North Tower) there is no way she would have
described her egress as "towards One Word Trade" because no matter in
which direction she walked she would have been going away from One World
Trade. This point proves, beyond any doubt, that Ms. Baldizzi exited
from the South Tower and that the mistaken announcement at the beginning
of the interview that she was in the North Tower was just one of the
miscommunications and misunderstandings in the chaos of those early
I concluded that Ms.
Baldizzi exited Tower 2 at the same time many others in the building
did: after the North Tower was hit but before the South Tower was hit.
If she was "dragged" into the elevator within seconds after the first
tower was hit, and if the elevator ride took about 4 minutes, she
would've been out of the building well before the South Tower was hit.
As you can
see the South Tower core was not damaged as much because of
large, heavily constructed elevator equipment which
protected it anyway.
There were two freight elevators that
serviced the 104th floor.
Cars #6 and #50 serviced the 104th floor, lobby and basement levels.
• Car #5: B1-5, 7, 9-40, 44
• Car #6: B1-5, 44, 75, 77-107 *
• Car #17: B1-1, 41, 43-78
• Car #48: B1-7, 9-40
• Car #49: B1-5, 41-74
• Car #50: B6-108 *
• Car #99: 107-110
There were two express elevators to Windows on the World (and related
conference rooms and banquet facilities) in WTC 1 and two to the
observation deck in WTC 2.
pg 34 (adobe pg 72)
NIST NCSTAR 1-7 (Draft)
Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center
Occupant Behavior, Egress, and Emergency Communications (Draft)
There were firemen who radioed in after
being stuck in the elevator moments before the south tower collapsed.
So there were elevators working in the south
tower AFTER the impact. But what's important
here is that the interview is being taken out of context. A theme which
seems to run strong with these conspiracy theorists.
Thanks to Scott S Coastal and Drval.