Center 7 South Side Hole
this, I began looking for images of the WTC 7south side hole
the firemen talked about. The only photo's I could find had
this massive hole obscured by tremendous plumes of smoke.
mezzanine covers the bottom half of the hole so we can't
know how wide the hole is on the bottom floors. The skin of
the building seems to be detached from the floors as if the
north tower debris took some building 7 floors with it on
the way down.
Just as conspiracy theorists
used the north side photos to suggest that was the extent of
the damage, (A few small fires) conspiracy theorists are now
using this photo to suggest the photo shows the total extent
of the damage. I emphasized the above because for some
reason conspiracy theorists don't get it. Yes, I can't find
a photo which shows more damage to the south side but
conspiracy theorists who have been shown to be wrong time and
time again also can't find a photo proving the south side
only had the damage we see. I find this double standard
comically obvious. What I found most comical was the
suggestion that I had to prove this wasn't dust from the
north tower collapse. As if dust would have come from just
this building for 6 hours.
This photo is
copyrighted and was given with permission to debunking911
for use on this site.
New video shows
the gash on the south side of building 7.
If you count
the columns which are visible, you can see this is NOT the
corner damage in the FEMA photo below.
South West damage is taken into account in the graphics
Below is a
graphics from the initial World Trade Center 7 report. This
might change when the final report becomes available. Note
the word "Approximate" when talking about the
large hole. I suspect the only evidence they had at the time
were the firemen's interviews which seem to be very close to
the photo at the top of the page.
Conspiracy Theorists are hard at work looking to find the
slightest discrepancy in the NIST preliminary report. The
NIST report was created before debunking911.com sent the photo to NIST.
It's not unreasonable to suspect the members of the NIST
who are investigating the collapse weren't there at the time
of collapse. It's also not unreasonable to suspect they
don't have much video or photographic evidence of the south
side because they evacuated the south of Manhattan due to
the impending collapse of this very building. It's safe to
say they only know what they have evidence for. Yet the
conspiracy theorists expect the NIST to have all the evidence
at their fingertips from the first day. If any evidence
comes up which doesn't support the preliminary hypothesis
it's taken as a part of some mass murder plot. Yet these
"Truth seekers" give Jones a pass as he changes his
hypothesis every few weeks. I wonder what the word
"Preliminary" means to a conspiracy theorist? To me it means
"a first hypothesis" and not "This is the final conclusion".
Science don't work that way.
As I highlighted above, the NIST said the locations of
the damage are not written in stone. Look at the legend
below. They use the words "Possible", "Less likely" and
"Least likely". Yet conspiracy theorists ignore these
qualifiers and try to paint the scientist of the NIST as
purposefully lying and supporting a mass murderer because
the graphic below may not be exactly what the photo shows.
We really don't know how much of the graphic below
is right or wrong because the image
only shows a small portion of the south side. Most of the
building is covered by smoke, the WTC 6 mezzanine and the
camera angle. It's blatantly dishonest to use this image
to conclude their is less damage than on the graphic
below. We just CAN'T KNOW from the image. We also don't know
what other evidence the NIST has which support the graphic.
Note the amount of columns on the south face. There are
14 columns on the south face. Also note the column on the
end right is spaced out farther apart. There are 5 in
the image. We
can assume the clearing at the end where daylight is visible is
the end of the building. We can then fill in the columns to get
a better idea where this hole is...
Green are visible columns, yellow are
assumed. We can conclude this isn't the south west corner
damage which only had a column or two taken out.
The mezzanine under building 6 covers at least from the
6th floor down. How do we know? Because we can't see the
louvers in the above image. No one can say the damage we see is
the total damage. I suspect the hole became much larger at
ground level given the collection of debris we see in the
Note the large pile of debris and what looks
like perimeter columns sticking out of it.
One conspiracy theorist has done an admirable job
inserting columns in the photo to give us a better
understanding of what we see. It's such a good job, for the
first time I'm going to use a conspiracy theorist photo
to make a point.
The floors in the conspiracy
theorist edit below may be off. The point of this is not to
say the conspiracy theorist did a perfect job in recreating
the facts. You see, I'm not arguing the conspiracy theorist
is 100 percent right on his facts. After all, he is a 911
conspiracy theorist. I'm arguing that the damage to building
7 is MUCH worse than conspiracy theorist would have you
"On about a third of the face to the center and to
the bottom--approximately ten stories--about 25
percent of the depth of the building was scooped out,"
Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator for the National
Institute of Standards and Technology"
Using this statement, the
above photo and the conspiracy theorist representation of
the columns we can get a better idea of where this large
The white box with the X in
the middle is the area the NIST said was "Scooped out". The
light brown rectangle would be approximately where
the louvers were. The light green is the promenade which we
know is damaged from the photos below.
Just what does the word approximately
mean to conspiracy theorist? It means exactly.
Recently the conspiracy theorists have been attacking the
conspiracy theorist who created the image I used. It appears
the smudge used to count the floors may be from the 19th
floor and not the 22 as the original conspiracy theorist
I'll make this real easy, you
can't see the louvers which end on the 7th floor so the word
"approximately" could mean from the 7th floor down.
Lets see what
that area looked like before the collapse...
As you can see, if columns
above the bridge were taken out, it wouldn't be unreasonable
to expect the mechanical floors (Behind the louvers and
above the lobby) with heavy equipment to fall into the open
lobby. Yes, the mechanical floors are built stronger but the
heavy equipment equals things out. It's extra strength is
taken by holding up the heavy equipment. There were
transformers on these levels.
7 contained 10
transformers at street
level, 12 transformers
on the 5th floor, and 2 dry
transformers on the 7th floor." - FEMA report
Transformers are filled with oil and can blow up. Did
those large transformers blow up taking out the floors
below? Remember that the building was on fire for hours.
It's well within reason to suspect the building was
progressively getting worse. Conspiracy theorists seem to
think one dimensionally. They think if there was light
damage immediately after the collapse then it must have been
that way throughout the event. This super simplistic
thinking is the Achilles heel of the conspiracy story. They
take photos of a part of a building and quotes from one
moment in time and try to apply it to the whole event or
Another problem with the conspiracy story is the fireman's
Why would they lie? Why would they say their was a hole
which never existed. 360 of their
brothers perished that day.
But the main point of the image is to show the
building was FAR more damaged than conspiracy theorists let
on. It was never a few small fires as the deceptive north
face photos show. In that sense these photos are conclusive.
another image which seems to show damage inline with the
hole in the previous image.
A video has surfaced which shows the extent of building
7's south side whole. It was worse than even the firemen let
Someone took images from both videos and created a
composite so we can see the extent of the "gash"...
Taken all together we have evidence the of a possible
local pancake collapse as with the Ronan Point apartments...
Obviously Ronan Point apartments didn't catch fire or is
a tube in a tube design. I have to state the obvious because
conspiracy theorists have suggested that this event should
be compared to 9/11. That's just another absurdity for the
Why is this
important? Because it lines up with the fuel system in the
theorists have once again left critical thinking skills at
the door in order to hold onto their beliefs. They use the
photo below as evidence the video snapshot above doesn't
show major damage.
In their zeal to find fault
with this page they ignore the roofline which was inset on
the south side and tapered for about 2 floors. This very
photo is evidence of the inset nature of the roof. Here's
And now a NEW photo shows the
rip is not part of the corner damage. It goes higher, if
anything, the rip may connect with the corner at some point but
it is NOT ONLY the corner as conspiracy theorists suggest.
Evidence is growing that there is more damage than even FEMA
Click for better view.
All this talk of the accuracy
of the governments reports and my web site is to take the
focus away from the accuracy of the conspiracy story...
"Just a few
small fires..." Remember that?
Note the different cantilever core
lower level where the fire was seen.
The below images are revered from the "gash" photos. They
are taken from the north while the gash images are taken
from the south. The "Kink" does not line up with the gash on
the other side of the building, nor does it have to. It was
the fires seen on the east side which are suspected of
collapsing building 7 and not the gash. The gash only proves
the building was heavily damaged by the north tower
collapse. It's not unreasonable to conclude the gash begun
the fires and made the building that much more unstable.